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		<title>By: tovorinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>tovorinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello 
 
Great book. I just want to say what a fantastic thing you are doing! Good luck! 
 
 
G&#039;night</description>
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<p>Great book. I just want to say what a fantastic thing you are doing! Good luck! </p>
<p>G&#8217;night</p>
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		<title>By: EAS_Mn</title>
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		<dc:creator>EAS_Mn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it precedes Solaris 10, a fine book on Solaris in general is &quot;Solaris Operating Environment Boot Camp,&quot; by David Rhodes and Dominic Butler (Sun Microsystems Press/Prentice Hall Title, 2003).  Another useful one is &quot;Solaris Solutions for System Administrators&quot; by Sandra Henry-Stocker and Evan R. Marks (Wiley Publishing, 2003).

Using those will help one become conversant enough with Solaris to proceed to the latest variations in Solaris 10 (e.g., the service management facility boot sequencing, zones, ZFS, possibly DTrace).

Admittedly Solaris has not had the most user-friendly installation interface, although Solaris 10&#039;s for x86 is better than earlier SPARC versions.  (Then again, have you ever waded through package selection for Debian or any number of other Linux distributions in an effort to customize what&#039;s put on the box?)

But one thing Sun has done fairly well as versions of Solaris are rolled out:  it has maintained a good deal of backwards compatibility for applications, scripts, and the like.  No Linux distribution I know of does nearly as well on that score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it precedes Solaris 10, a fine book on Solaris in general is &#8220;Solaris Operating Environment Boot Camp,&#8221; by David Rhodes and Dominic Butler (Sun Microsystems Press/Prentice Hall Title, 2003).  Another useful one is &#8220;Solaris Solutions for System Administrators&#8221; by Sandra Henry-Stocker and Evan R. Marks (Wiley Publishing, 2003).</p>
<p>Using those will help one become conversant enough with Solaris to proceed to the latest variations in Solaris 10 (e.g., the service management facility boot sequencing, zones, ZFS, possibly DTrace).</p>
<p>Admittedly Solaris has not had the most user-friendly installation interface, although Solaris 10&#8217;s for x86 is better than earlier SPARC versions.  (Then again, have you ever waded through package selection for Debian or any number of other Linux distributions in an effort to customize what&#8217;s put on the box?)</p>
<p>But one thing Sun has done fairly well as versions of Solaris are rolled out:  it has maintained a good deal of backwards compatibility for applications, scripts, and the like.  No Linux distribution I know of does nearly as well on that score.</p>
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		<title>By: jetteroheller</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetteroheller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - 

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever had a reply on a blog post like that.  Thanks much for your opinions on this - totally agreed on what you&#039;re saying in terms of the lesson to be learned on tolerance of one&#039;s fellow operating systems, as much as people want to bash this or that. 

And DJ - thank for your comment as well.  I still am on the lookout for a good Solaris book, as my trouble has not at all been with learning linux - it&#039;s been with being able to sit down at Starbucks with a good Solaris book and really dig in and learn it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever had a reply on a blog post like that.  Thanks much for your opinions on this &#8211; totally agreed on what you&#8217;re saying in terms of the lesson to be learned on tolerance of one&#8217;s fellow operating systems, as much as people want to bash this or that. </p>
<p>And DJ &#8211; thank for your comment as well.  I still am on the lookout for a good Solaris book, as my trouble has not at all been with learning linux &#8211; it&#8217;s been with being able to sit down at Starbucks with a good Solaris book and really dig in and learn it.</p>
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		<title>By: Grahame</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grahame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 15:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you attack a &quot;rival&quot; in an ad, you are not only galvanizing the supporters of the rival product, you are advertising the rival as something of equal status to yourself.  I think the validation method you mention in the last paragraph of the post is the way to go.  It positions Solaris as the next step up from Linux, a position I think Sun should cultivate rather than the anti-Linux position of the email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you attack a &#8220;rival&#8221; in an ad, you are not only galvanizing the supporters of the rival product, you are advertising the rival as something of equal status to yourself.  I think the validation method you mention in the last paragraph of the post is the way to go.  It positions Solaris as the next step up from Linux, a position I think Sun should cultivate rather than the anti-Linux position of the email.</p>
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		<title>By: damaged justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>damaged justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet - most of your problems with &#039;Linux documentation&#039; stem from the fact that Linux is an ecosystem, not a specific distribution, whereas the BSD&#039;s are consistent and self-contained systems. (FreeBSD&#039;s documentation is some of the clearest, most concise and complete I&#039;ve ever come across.) Though I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not telling you anything you don&#039;t already know :)

At this point, a person&#039;s best bet to really &#039;learn Linux&#039; is to ignore the various attempts at certification, put together a few Linux From Scratch systems, and familiarize themselves with the various components that are being standardized (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, etc).

Good seeing you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jet &#8211; most of your problems with &#8216;Linux documentation&#8217; stem from the fact that Linux is an ecosystem, not a specific distribution, whereas the BSD&#8217;s are consistent and self-contained systems. (FreeBSD&#8217;s documentation is some of the clearest, most concise and complete I&#8217;ve ever come across.) Though I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not telling you anything you don&#8217;t already know <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At this point, a person&#8217;s best bet to really &#8216;learn Linux&#8217; is to ignore the various attempts at certification, put together a few Linux From Scratch systems, and familiarize themselves with the various components that are being standardized (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, etc).</p>
<p>Good seeing you again.</p>
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		<title>By: adam cassel</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam cassel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;what does ... Solaris, etc , have to do w/ scientology&quot;. 

Well, the obvious, as Occam tells us, is generally the answer, look over here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scientology/482758044/

On Linux and Scientology: Love, Patience, and Tolerance

I think they have alot to do with each other as strange as that sounds, and here&#039;s why.

One does not have to read Mr Hubbard to hear the exact same thing quoted herein as from one&#039;s mother, but if the message is a right and good one, does it matter where it came from? So much the better I say when we find a source that for us personally is a consistent and reliable wellspring of wisdom, engagement, self relflection, and encourages us on to higher achievement and the helps provide us with the fortitude to grow in our ability to weave a practical life that agrees with our principles, be they in our relations to others or our principles in relation to our tools of choice: computers and the OS&#039;s that run them. 

But, my feeling on both linux and scientology is that true believers of any stripe are difficult to appreciate and be patient with. but again, more love, patience and tolerance for all, in the IT world and our world, should be a higher priority for all of us, myself included. I&#039;ve been at this game and industry making a living from it since 94, pre netscape, mozzila anyone? I actually called Netscape in the early days just after I received my PAID FOR Netscape Navigator 1.0 floppy disk in the mail, and asked if they had a rep in Portland ME, where I lived then. My VM was actually returned, and they actually sent me a reseller agreement, so I have seen alot of history at this point. I even tried to install one of the first Linux Slackware releases using 14+/- floppy disks, all of which I downloaded using my 33.3Kb modem onto my pretty new IBM DX2 66 rather than buy Minix at the student union bookstore, ahh, it didnt go well. So, to this day, 13 years of days later, I find this anti windows crap rediculous for otherwise intelligent people to continue to engage in - wasted words and breath - childish and an anti-engineering narrow mind-set. Using, working on, developing with, paying attention to, learning, preferring a given OS IS NOT A POLITICAL or RELIGOUS statement, nor is it  a tacit or implicit approval of how the business that is responsible for that OS runs it&#039;s business. AND EVEN IF IT WAS, it strikes me as amazing, way beyond ironic, that linux enthusiasts and thought leaders alike APE THEIR SUPPOSED &quot;enemy&quot; in their INTOLERANCE and NARROW GUAGE bandwidth towards anything non-linux or windows related -  A VERY SHORT SIGHTED and MISTAKEN posture, look where intolerance, disdain and arrogance got MSFT. Now the linux community, since for purposes of reasonable conversation we must generalize to some degree, and remember, some generalizations are truer than others, is as intolerant and as silly as any community of Kool-Aid drinkers I&#039;ve ever seen - as IF what OS you prefer accords one some kind of &quot;more special&quot; status and a-priori moral and ethical superiority - what a joke! Grow up Linux Community, principles in practice require changes in behaviour, not lofty words of togetherness and inclusion while bad mouthing anyone else who has decided to get their meal from a different table. There are valuable, non-political, non-business related ENGINEERING lessons tp be learned from windows, and by that, i dont mean a &quot;negative power of example&quot;, but quite the opposite. To consider the constraints, the larger picture, the market forces, the nature of the ceo&#039;s under which any product, software or otherwise, must be born under and unto, is to then start to see the heroism of the people behind a good product, and conversely, the purposelessness of rejecting anything out of hand. Be students linux community, patient, loving, tolerant students of human computer interaction and of engineering, for the bounty is so beyond transient feelings of superiority as to be impossible to put into words, truly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;what does &#8230; Solaris, etc , have to do w/ scientology&#8221;. </p>
<p>Well, the obvious, as Occam tells us, is generally the answer, look over here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/scientology/482758044/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/scientology/482758044/</a></p>
<p>On Linux and Scientology: Love, Patience, and Tolerance</p>
<p>I think they have alot to do with each other as strange as that sounds, and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>One does not have to read Mr Hubbard to hear the exact same thing quoted herein as from one&#8217;s mother, but if the message is a right and good one, does it matter where it came from? So much the better I say when we find a source that for us personally is a consistent and reliable wellspring of wisdom, engagement, self relflection, and encourages us on to higher achievement and the helps provide us with the fortitude to grow in our ability to weave a practical life that agrees with our principles, be they in our relations to others or our principles in relation to our tools of choice: computers and the OS&#8217;s that run them. </p>
<p>But, my feeling on both linux and scientology is that true believers of any stripe are difficult to appreciate and be patient with. but again, more love, patience and tolerance for all, in the IT world and our world, should be a higher priority for all of us, myself included. I&#8217;ve been at this game and industry making a living from it since 94, pre netscape, mozzila anyone? I actually called Netscape in the early days just after I received my PAID FOR Netscape Navigator 1.0 floppy disk in the mail, and asked if they had a rep in Portland ME, where I lived then. My VM was actually returned, and they actually sent me a reseller agreement, so I have seen alot of history at this point. I even tried to install one of the first Linux Slackware releases using 14+/- floppy disks, all of which I downloaded using my 33.3Kb modem onto my pretty new IBM DX2 66 rather than buy Minix at the student union bookstore, ahh, it didnt go well. So, to this day, 13 years of days later, I find this anti windows crap rediculous for otherwise intelligent people to continue to engage in &#8211; wasted words and breath &#8211; childish and an anti-engineering narrow mind-set. Using, working on, developing with, paying attention to, learning, preferring a given OS IS NOT A POLITICAL or RELIGOUS statement, nor is it  a tacit or implicit approval of how the business that is responsible for that OS runs it&#8217;s business. AND EVEN IF IT WAS, it strikes me as amazing, way beyond ironic, that linux enthusiasts and thought leaders alike APE THEIR SUPPOSED &#8220;enemy&#8221; in their INTOLERANCE and NARROW GUAGE bandwidth towards anything non-linux or windows related &#8211;  A VERY SHORT SIGHTED and MISTAKEN posture, look where intolerance, disdain and arrogance got MSFT. Now the linux community, since for purposes of reasonable conversation we must generalize to some degree, and remember, some generalizations are truer than others, is as intolerant and as silly as any community of Kool-Aid drinkers I&#8217;ve ever seen &#8211; as IF what OS you prefer accords one some kind of &#8220;more special&#8221; status and a-priori moral and ethical superiority &#8211; what a joke! Grow up Linux Community, principles in practice require changes in behaviour, not lofty words of togetherness and inclusion while bad mouthing anyone else who has decided to get their meal from a different table. There are valuable, non-political, non-business related ENGINEERING lessons tp be learned from windows, and by that, i dont mean a &#8220;negative power of example&#8221;, but quite the opposite. To consider the constraints, the larger picture, the market forces, the nature of the ceo&#8217;s under which any product, software or otherwise, must be born under and unto, is to then start to see the heroism of the people behind a good product, and conversely, the purposelessness of rejecting anything out of hand. Be students linux community, patient, loving, tolerant students of human computer interaction and of engineering, for the bounty is so beyond transient feelings of superiority as to be impossible to put into words, truly.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell has Solaris, Sun or Linux to do with Scientology??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell has Solaris, Sun or Linux to do with Scientology??</p>
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		<title>By: Neuromancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neuromancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah

I think your ment to pony up for the expensive sun training courses :-) or hire sun certifed guys/gurls.

though id trust slowlaris to work longer term than linux as hopefuly the driver suport owuld be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah</p>
<p>I think your ment to pony up for the expensive sun training courses <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  or hire sun certifed guys/gurls.</p>
<p>though id trust slowlaris to work longer term than linux as hopefuly the driver suport owuld be better.</p>
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		<title>By: syahid ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>syahid ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>save a penguin by closing the windows.</description>
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		<title>By: jetteroheller</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetteroheller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shamar - 

While the documentation on docs.sun.com might be pretty good (they are), what I have a harder time finding is good, thorough, book-style reading like you can do with Linux and other OS&#039;s.  I&#039;ve read plenty of man pages, but no number of man pages can add up to what you get from a well-written, well assembled book. 

As an example, I tried for about 8 months to like Sun Java System App Server, but unfortunately the &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; documentation available for this (which I read cover to cover) was on docs.sun.com.  Couldn&#039;t find a book on this to save my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamar &#8211; </p>
<p>While the documentation on docs.sun.com might be pretty good (they are), what I have a harder time finding is good, thorough, book-style reading like you can do with Linux and other OS&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve read plenty of man pages, but no number of man pages can add up to what you get from a well-written, well assembled book. </p>
<p>As an example, I tried for about 8 months to like Sun Java System App Server, but unfortunately the <b>only</b> documentation available for this (which I read cover to cover) was on docs.sun.com.  Couldn&#8217;t find a book on this to save my life.</p>
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